You can check go see the bile in all its glory at my Flickr site, or continue reading here, where I've selected choice bits. If you do go to the Flickr site, you'll need to look at the comments HERE and HERE and HERE.
Here's the picture that sparked the blowup:
And here's the result:
Rick248: Too bad the real illegals don't look like that. Most people that protest think of them as poor, misunderstood types. Not the drug dealers, murders, sumgglers and I could keep going on but you get the picture. They use our emergency rooms for their personal doctors, so when you need to go to the ER it's a five to seven hour wait. Of course they don't pay so guess who picks up the tab? No matter what that poster shows, your more likely to be shot than handed flowers. I've with Sheriff Joe. I don't have a problems with sending someone back who interes our country illegally.
Corrin: By all means, Rick248, I certainly hope that you support a comprehensive guest worker program that allows the immigrant labor we exploit to also buy health insurance and be registered as having limited rights as long as they contribute to our economy. Please vote for that the next time you have a chance. Also, unless you are approaching the issue with a purely racist foundation, you will surely concede that even Arpaio's office admits that the vast majority of the illegal aliens he has turned over to the feds are not guilty committing a crime other than coming here.
Rick248: I knew it wouldn't take very long to be called a racist. If wanting my country to be safe with secure borders is racist, fine, go ahead and call me anything you want. Tell me something, when did we start picking and choosing what laws to enforce and what laws to ignore?... During my years as a LEO, I've been in four shootings. Three were illegals. I was stabbed by an illegal. You're doing no one a favor by allowing illegals to remain here. They don't learn the language so we have things in two languages. I'm 61 now and have been out of L.E. for quite a while. Both my wife and I have CCW permits. Six times I've been accosted (that is a polite way of saying attempted robbery) by illegals. Displaying my holstered weapon was enough to stop them. Two months ago three gentlemen tried a home invasion on my house. I make it a habit of answering my door with my former duty weapon in my hip pocket.
Corrin: This goes on all around the world, and it's always a problem. I really don't see it as liberal versus conservative, either, because it seems to cut across party lines. No one wants to be taken advantage of financially and certainly no one wants to be a victim of crime. It's a fantasy, though, to think that we could honestly secure our borders and an economic reality that in a profit-driven economy rotten jobs will always fall to an underclass to perform.
Plus which, having guest workers that only tap a small portion of the benefits of citizenship allows us to use them to support a time of economic growth and abandon them during a recession. Illegals aren't coming here in smaller numbers over the last year because of Sherif Joe - it's because the jobs are no longer here.
... sorry about your personal experience, but I see this as a result of not having a comprehensive guest worker policy that would truly allow us to attack the violent criminals separately from the busboys, housekeepers, produce pickers, etc.
Rick248: I'm 61 and I remember when we did have a "guest worker" program. I don't remember when it expired. I'm in favor of bringing that program back. We both know that there are jobs that Americans just don't will not do, If that program came back, then things would be better for everyone. Pay would be fair, benefits would be provided, it would be legal to obtain a drivers license and insurance. I wouldn't have any problems then.
A "guest worker" is not citizenship. If that is desired, then the person in question would be required to go though normal channels. I would be quite happy with that arrangement. It should work to everyone's advantage. Does that work for you?
Corrin: Oh definitely that would work for me - sanity, that's all. My neighborhood has a mix of both legals and illegals from Mexico and the lower Americas, so I hear a lot of different perspectives. Some of the most vehement critics of illegals are people who came during the 80's and worked really hard WITHIN the system to finally get full citizenship. I can see their point very easily. "I earned this, what did all of YOU guys do?" At the same time, I'll sit outside with the parent of a family of illegals and he tells me how much happier they were in Mexico where they had family, property and a lot less stress; but that their family is relying on them to send money back.
I didn't mean to soft-sell the crime among this group; but aside from what is a direct result of the border issue, it doesn't SEEM to me to be any different from what you find among the lower socio-economic strata in general, regardless of ethnic makeup. Also, to be sure, they have their saints and sinners like the rest who further muddy the issue.
Then in a follow up letter, Rick wrote: Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be friends and respect each other. You seem like a pretty good person to me.
There. Hope for humanity?
Here's a great picture from Rick's Flickr site
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